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[14:54:05] Action: mamund thinks EricB is pushing the kitty analogies a bit too far [14:56:10] I thought you had filtered his posts :-) [14:56:21] leaks into my RSS feed [15:01:20] I love that post from Mike sucking up to Eric about getting feedback about hal LOL [15:01:33] erik wilde? [15:01:41] noEricB [15:01:44] LOL [15:03:53] I read threads like the one about REST and domain models and it amazes me how people say you can't do domain specific tasks without coupling on a domain. How do they think they are able to buy a book from amazon via a web browser? [15:04:08] yeha, i just let that one pass by [15:04:26] And then they say, but I want to do m2m, and I think to myself, well what is a web browser if not a piece of software running on a machine. [15:04:34] LOL [15:04:58] my latest experiments using usability research as a starting point have touched in this very ide [15:05:07] It's like we close our eyes to the web browser as just another web client and think that it is somehow completely different and special from any other client. [15:05:33] the whole "mapping a conceptual domain" to some set of affordances, etc. [15:05:52] yes, the browser is much maligned (even by me) [15:06:11] but folks don't clearly think about the differing _parts_ of what the browser does [15:06:16] they see it as one single thing [15:06:23] that slows folks down, i think. [15:06:29] It's not that it is maligned but it seems to be special cased. [15:06:35] yeah, true [15:06:50] special cased as in "oh, you can't use that as an example" [15:06:55] There is how the web browser does it and how the rest of us writing clients have to do it. [15:07:06] ;0 [15:07:12] With the presumption that we can't do it the same way. [15:07:18] BINGO [15:07:24] Action: mamund is sorry for teh caps [15:07:33] They were appropriate :-) [15:07:43] he [15:08:43] As an aside, before I leave to eat, I am knee deep a a very fat client project and it is amazing how much complexity and infrastructure code exists on the client to replicate the effects of HTTP caching. [15:09:03] yeah, caching is a true puzzle [15:09:07] I keep looking at it saying, WinInetCache gives me that for free. [15:09:25] on windoze i gave up and use wininetcache [15:09:26] [15:09:34] not avial on mono C#, tho. [15:09:45] not equiv i know of on other platforms [15:09:52] hoping that's just me bing ignorant [15:09:56] Dealing with complex object hierarchies on a client and trying to sync thos hierarchies with the results of remote queries is a nightmare. [15:10:07] yep - i don't do that [15:10:35] Yeah, it's a shame no-one seems to have written a .net client proxy. [15:10:41] yep [15:10:55] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:10:59] one of the "rules" of usability is to make the model either... [15:11:06] wide and shallow [15:11:10] or deep and narrow [15:11:11] Probably because 99% of people doing client side development in .net would never think of trying to use one. [15:11:14] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) joined #rest. [15:11:21] this is really the way the WWW works [15:11:30] well, not just .net, i think. [15:11:40] I would describe my client as extremely wide and shallow. [15:11:52] well, i think that's a good thing [15:12:00] It seems to work for me. :-) [15:12:00] you don't want hierarchies [15:12:07] that's my favorite [15:12:27] when you get to do ing m2m, i think deep and narrow works best (still testing) [15:12:36] you mean inheritence hierarchies of object graphs? [15:12:43] s/of /or [15:12:46] well, yes, you don't want them on WWW [15:12:56] at least not that you "know" [15:13:07] Actually IMHO you don't want much of either [15:13:21] just pass representations; period. [15:13:32] Agreed. I gotta go run and eat. I'll catch you later. [15:13:39] in my mind, at least, hierarchies === stateful [15:13:42] ok [15:13:44] toodles [15:59:51] grove (~grove@84.115.45.31.customer.cdi.no) joined #rest. [16:06:27] grove (~grove@84.115.45.31.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: grove [16:11:10] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:11:24] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) joined #rest. [16:28:50] Action: mamund is all done rattling cages, so long. [17:10:22] nuclearsandwich (~nuclearsa@173.247.193.198) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:37:22] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:37:38] cwb` (~user@russell.carlbaatz.com) joined #rest. 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