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[04:17] <trygvis> tuxtoti: I doubt anyone where would ever use WADL
[04:20] <trygvis> but that page was kinda cool still:)
[04:20] <tuxtoti> Well, I'm not necessarily looking at WADL. All I want is some good web based tool where i can start writing REST API documentations (instead of a word processor).
[04:21] <trygvis> I'd just use markdown or something easily publishable like that
[04:21] <trygvis> I've played around with the pandoc2rfc stuff, it's not bad
[04:23] <tuxtoti> trygvis: Looks good. Let me take a look at it.
[04:24] <tuxtoti> trygvis: I considered WADL coz I saw some good pre made XSL stylesheets . :)
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[04:25] <trygvis> yeah, but going the WADL way will yield a RPC styled interface instead of a REST application
[04:27] <tuxtoti> Yup. thats true. :(
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[04:48] <tuxtoti> trygvis: Do you know any resources which talk about authentication using REST ?
[04:49] <trygvis> not really (other than http)
[04:49] <trygvis> I think most people just use digest with a token of some kind
[04:49] <tuxtoti> Yeah..the problem is my client isn't really a browser.
[04:49] <trygvis> that's the good part
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[11:03] <mikekelly> mamund: what do you think about this..
[11:03] <mikekelly> me: "In practice clients follow links, and those links set their expectation about the 'meaning' of the document they get back."
[11:04] <mikekelly> other guy: "Those links generally only tell you the purpose of the document, not how to interpret the content... Those are two very different things"
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[13:05] <darrelmiller> mikekelly: I see the distinction, however, what is the advantage of limiting the link relation to only the "purpose".
[13:10] <darrelmiller> mikekelly: And really, what is the difference between a link relation that constrains the media type that will be returned to a very specific type and one that says you will get application/xml with elements that have a certain meaining?
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[13:55] <mikekelly> http://iandavis.com/apps/hal/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsws.geonames.org%2F5391959%2F
[14:02] <darrelmiller> Shame it is in JSON and not XML :-)
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[14:12] <mikekelly> darrelmiller: people seem keen on this JSON Stuff
[14:12] <mikekelly> mamund: I am not understanding Joe at all
[14:13] <mikekelly> wasn't he involved in atom ?
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[17:18] <steveklabnik> errybody loves json
[17:21] <darrelmiller> I guess that makes me an outcast :-)
[17:21] <steveklabnik> they've been scarred by java
[17:21] <steveklabnik> it happens
[17:22] <darrelmiller> I wonder if someone spent time consuming JSON from a non-browser client how much they would love it.
[17:23] <steveklabnik> probably fine. json has libraries for pretty much everything now.
[17:23] <steveklabnik> err, the reverse
[17:24] <darrelmiller> What do people use for querying json object graphs?
[17:25] steveklabnik shrugs
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[22:58] <Jarda> darrelmiller: I often too wonder what do you use to query complex json structures
[22:58] <Jarda> xml+xpath is so <3
[22:59] <Jarda> json is great if you are just passing around "objects" or stuff that deserializes as objects
[22:59] <Jarda> I know, some say you shouldn't pass around "objects" in REST (that should be left to SOAP)
[23:00] <Jarda> but I still find it useful to deserialize/serialize resources as objects in my client apps
[23:00] <Jarda> darrelmiller: using JSON.net and property attributes makes it easy to do serialization/deserialization
[23:01] <Jarda> but for complex stuff it isn't at all good
[23:01] <Jarda> like for reporting where you get complex trees
[23:01] <Jarda> that's why I have thought I would use json for the crud stuff and for reporting etc complex I would use XML
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