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[02:47] <mikekelly> ye
[02:47] <mikekelly> woops :)
[02:47] <mikekelly> lucky that wasn't anything interesting :D
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[03:24] <Jarda> yeah, w don't want anything interesting on this channel
[03:53] <mikekelly> :P
[03:53] <mikekelly> current status: http://browsertoolkit.com/fault-tolerance.png
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[05:13] <trygvis> dig it: http://www.commoncrawl.org/
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[07:03] mamund waves
[07:13] <mikekelly> welcome to occupy #rest
[07:16] <darrelmiller> Only 1% of people who use the term actually understand what it means.
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[07:20] <mamund> "i am the 99%!"
[07:21] <mamund> oh, wait. that's not right, is it?
[07:23] <mamund> https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/developers/design-documents/webintentsapi/building-web-intents
[07:23] <mamund> someone is thinking about building browser that "understand" links!
[07:23] <mamund> not a total fan of WI, but like the idea behind it.
[07:24] <mikekelly> that sounds like the hal repl thing I've been talking about for a while
[07:25] <mamund> mikekelly: the webintents is like hal repl?
[07:25] <mikekelly> wait no it's not wtf
[07:25] <mamund> :)
[07:25] <mikekelly> you know how excel macro's get recorded ?
[07:26] <mikekelly> or selenium tests for that matter
[07:26] <mikekelly> something like that, just with a dsl that's appropriate to HAL's notion of links and resources
[07:28] <mikekelly> i.e. you could discover an application and scaffold client code as you go
[07:31] <mikekelly> I think having stuff like that around a format like hal would help prove that exposing your app with a generic type has some real benefits
[07:32] <mikekelly> beyond just drawing hte comparison with html
[07:33] <mikekelly> I like how that URI templats thread turned ou t:)
[07:39] <mamund> mikekelly: templates thread?
[07:41] <mikekelly> the one you just posted on
[07:41] <mamund> yeah and what about it you like?
[07:42] <mamund> seems pretty innocous to me<g>
[07:42] mamund can't spell for sh!t today
[07:42] <mikekelly> fact that people are being honest about the whole 'out oof band' thing
[07:42] <mamund> ahhh
[07:42] <mamund> well, it only makes sense, right?
[07:44] <mikekelly> well I spent a few posts going back and forth with eric where he was saying that the out of band coupling on those templates (i.e. not using forms) is "the antithesis of REST"
[07:45] <mamund> again, you mention eric<g>
[07:45] <mikekelly> LOL
[07:46] <mikekelly> well you did ask about specifics
[07:46] <mamund> anyway, you're right in that folks need to be talking plainly about what is OOB in all this.
[07:47] <mikekelly> I just said I was happy with the thread
[07:47] <mamund> :)
[07:47] <darrelmiller> mikekelly: we're very happy that you're happy
[07:47] <mikekelly> :D
[07:47] <mamund> seeing ppl happy that others are happy makes _me_ happy
[07:48] <mikekelly> yes mamund, you are the most meta person here
[07:48] <mikekelly> saying that makes me happy
[07:49] <mamund> ROFL
[07:50] <mikekelly> I wish I knew about psychology to put my theories about the way people interact with forms vs machines into clever-clogs words
[07:51] <darrelmiller> at least that way, people would not be able to tell if you were right or wrong.
[07:51] <mikekelly> haha
[07:51] <mikekelly> that's philosophy darrel
[07:52] <mikekelly> ask mamund about that
[07:52] <mikekelly> he's like an old chinese man with a beard
[07:52] <mikekelly> except he's not chinese
[07:52] <darrelmiller> or old,
[07:52] <mikekelly> well..
[07:52] <mikekelly> whatever you say.
[07:52] <mamund> hey, hay!
[07:52] <darrelmiller> He's not old, you are just young.
[07:52] <mamund> you kids get off my lawn!
[07:53] <mikekelly> bwahahaha
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[09:35] <ssedano> Hi, if I return a collection of links, is there any standard for rel attribute?
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[09:55] <trygvis> ssedano: the hypermedia you use tend to include som information on allows rel attribute values
[09:56] <trygvis> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4287#page-21
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[10:52] <KevBurnsJr> Zend_Rest_Controller is giving me nightmares.
[10:53] <KevBurnsJr> mikekelly: I may adopt Resauce
[10:54] mamund is back from lunch
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[12:25] mamund does a small dance!
[12:25] <mamund> just got my copyedit PDF back from o'reilly. a couple nights of pouring over the pages to make sure to resolve remaining 'nits' and this baby is out-the-door!
[12:34] <trygvis> \o\ /o/ \o\
[12:35] <Jarda> mamund: it was the node.js book?
[12:36] <KevBurnsJr> mikekelly: you around? I have a Resauce question.
[12:40] <KevBurnsJr> oh. $this->_helper->viewRenderer->setNoRender();
[12:41] <KevBurnsJr> mikekelly: nvm
[12:41] <KevBurnsJr> RTFS ={
[12:43] <mamund> Jarda: well, the hypermedia api w/ node & html5
[12:43] <mamund> not really a "node" book<g>
[12:43] <mamund> trygvis: love the ascii art!
[12:44] <Jarda> mamund: mmkay, I'm still going to read it :)
[12:44] <mamund> LOL
[12:44] <mamund> thanks
[12:45] <mamund> lots of node code (three servers implementations and one command line app.
[12:45] <mamund> but not a lot of explanation, really.
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[15:25] <mikekelly> KevBurnsJr: tbh I haven't touched it for ages
[15:26] <mikekelly> does it still work ok with latest versions of zf ?
[15:31] mamund has had enuff, ta-ta!
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[21:59] <KevBurnsJr> mikekelly: ya, it's pretty simple.
[21:59] <KevBurnsJr> I'm adding some stuff like overloaded POST w/ _method=PUT
[22:00] <KevBurnsJr> but it makes routing a hell of a lot easier
[22:00] <KevBurnsJr> I'll definitely be using in this project.
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